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Transcript of interviews with regarding Elizabeth Ann Dunfee's painting "Mourning After," with her husband, Charles "Dennis" Dunfee, daughter Lisa Kreeger-Norman, son-in-law Greg Norman, and paintings conservator Andrea Chevalier.
Wendy: Why don’t I stop this.
First Interview with Greg Norman
Greg: Yes. It was the second time that my wife and I had been to Kent. I can’t remember exactly what year it was—it was 2016 or 17 and we had gone down because she was raised there, and I really wanted to go to Kent because—because of the shooting. And we went back and as my wife has stated, you know, they had cleaned the place up, I guess is the best way to put it. They had—like she said—they had new signage, the whole nine yards. And there was a tall white male. I spent my life in law enforcement before I retired, and he made every Spidey sense I had go off. He was wearing a black t-shirt and I didn’t notice it right away, but when I got closer to him it had the swastika on it. And he was carrying a large knife that could not be used as a knife. It could have been used as a machete or a sword, but not as a knife. And I was pretty shocked because Kent has always been known as a liberal school. It—most universities are, for lack of—you know, I mean, they do design, and things of that nature down there at Kent. And that’s what I had known it to be: it was a design school, so very liberal type of thing and this Nazi’s walking around. And he wouldn’t shut up. I mean, he’s constantly talking, you know, “what—what [are] they doing.” He actually wanted to know when “Hanoi Jane” was gonna show up. That’s why he was there—he was—he wanted to know about “Hanoi Jane” and when she was going to show up. And then he walked off. And I went about doing photographs and talking, but it was very bothersome because, you know, in this day and age to see somebody, particularly on Kent State campus, openly displaying a Nazi swastika on his black t-shirt was pretty surprising. And I did not expect to see that and like I said, my Spidey sense went off. I was looking around for who else was there. I mean, people don’t normally…they’re not normally of a “one” so I was looking for others to be there also. He said he was there to see “Hanoi Jane,” so my first response is, who else is here to see “Hanoi Jane.” Fortunately, in the time that we were there, we saw someone that had his daughter there who obviously was the offspring of somebody maybe who had been at Kent State at the time. The gentleman that was wearing the swastika couldn’t have been any older than 30, if he was that old. And for him to be having the opinion that he had and saying things such as “Hanoi Jane” and, you know, making the comment that, you know, they all should have died. He also said something about one—one of the victims that’s—one of the victims was an ROTC student, and he kept making the comment that that student had died from friendly fire. And he was of the opinion that they should have shot ‘em all. I was a little taken back and I’m very surprised to see that in 2020.×
Six short video interviews of Andrea Chevalier, Dennis Dunfee, Greg Norman, and Lisa Kreeger-Norman, as they discuss the background of Elizabeth Ann (Gibbs) Dunfee's artwork, and details of its restoration, fifty years later. The filming took place at the Intermuseum Conservation Association (ICA) in 2021. Includes an accompanying transcript of video interviews.
An accompanying transcript was provided by the ICA.
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